Maruki chuckled lightly at Hamuko reiterating his words. Cozy sure was the only way you could describe this place. The blazing sun. The perpetual shade coming from the trees or the breeze that whistled casually.
"A dog is man's best friend, after all," he nods at how she talks about Koromaru, devolving to talking about herself and then...her life. For how short it was and how they made it all count.
Or so they told themselves.
"I am happy you had a group like that who supported each other even in times of peril. Even if...the situation felt hopeless."
"What were all of you planning? For the future?" he asks thoughtfully.
"We were looking at colleges... Yukari wanted to make up with her mom, Junpei was figuring out what he might be good at and was wanting a future with Chidori... some of us didn't have an idea just yet what we wanted, but we wanted to keep living."
She exhaled a bit, staring off into the horizon in thought.
"I told Mitsuru that I wanted to be her cute little housewife, watch the guys, keep them out of trouble. I never said it out loud, but I thought, maybe someday I'd adopt some kids - people like me, or like Ken. Give them a loving home. Make the world better by making their world better. Every person I could help, even if just a little bit, even if just by listening to them... maybe by making their lives better, they would do the same for others, and it'd always pay forward. That's what made me realize that it all wasn't just pointless. That we're all connected and always will be..."
After a breath, she laughed a little, sheepishly.
"Sorry-- my thoughts kind of bounce back and forth a lot, so that'll probably happen the more I ramble."
So endearing. So full of hopes and dreams. His expression only grew more sombre as she talked about her partners, wanting to look after her own friends. Adopt a child in need- giving them a home and wanting to make the world a better place. To help someone by picking them up, supporting them through the harsh cruel reality of their lives- her heart must be glowing gold with the goodness inside of it. He's sure if he tapped into her cognition right now, he could possibly find the shining light this saviour must have had in her last moments before sacrificing herself...
...for humanity to be left to its own devices.
He folded his arms on his lap as Hamuko went on and along, a quiet he hadn't gotte used to. In a while. There was a soft smile at the end surfacing on his lips.
"This is going to sound a little silly," he starts as he chuckles along with her. "But try to say thank you instead of sorry."
"Do ramble. Talk to your heart's content. Don't apologize for it," he turns towards on her on his seat, knees aimed at her direction. "Atleast not to me."
"Yeah... and... cut in, if you have a thought or want to talk about something, too - I get a little self-conscious if I just talk on and on," she admitted.
Well... 'admitted' - it was a half truth if anything. She DID always feel a little sheepish if she got wordy and just got stared at, but she also wanted to hear from Maruki. At least both things could be true.
"That said, it's... it's been nice. Sad, that I can't be a part of it otherwise, but really reassuring and validating to see people still living after I died. So I know it was worth it. Everyone I've met here that's from my future... or a future like my future, at least... they're brilliant, and full of ambition and hopes and everything. Facing their pain and holding each other's hands. I think I would be... a lot more depressed, if my future didn't protect everyone."
"I like to listen," he admits. "Seriously- I am known to focus a little too much on what someone's saying. It's why I picked up counselling as a profession- ah, not that my job is relevant to what we are talking about right now."
He waves his hand in dismissal- sweeping that topic under the rug.
"...is your future really just all that?" He asks, cautiously, eyes crinkling in worry. "It's admirable of you, to take on the weight of helping everyone secure their futures but what comes after that?"
"It does hurt, I don't think I feel frustrated, exactly?"
For a moment, she paused, humming in thought. Mulling it over, examining her feelings and the little tangled knot they made.
"It's more like... like the sadness of a funeral. I guess that's what it literally is, though - my own death, my own funeral. And even then, the hurt softens, sometimes. It's a lot easier to deal with here... in the Seal, it's..."
...Hard to describe. Beyond the clawing and wailing of Erebus, and the quiet presence of Nyx behind her, and that faint familiar presence of death, reminding her why she's there in the first place.
"Admittedly, I don't exactly think very much when I'm in the Seal. It's very... dreamlike. Hazy, like when you're sort of sedated, and you can't really perceive much of anything?" Hamuko shrugged. "I... I was really, really scared when I woke up in the Velvet Room, though. I was so scared that me being here broke the Seal and all my friends would die. And then, oh man, when Igor explained that it was still intact and I was just here to dream and be for a while... well, I wanted to cry from being happy, then."
If Hamuko was trying to reassure or put his mind at ease, it had its opposite effect. His brows furrowed at the way she simply...accepted her cruel painful fate. Did it truly not phase her.
"No one should be going through what you did," he couldn't help but mutter those words like he was still attending her unspoken funeral. Each second he looked a little more distressed than the last and at the end when she's free- that's what she's thinking? Seriously?
All those years...decades of loneliness. Of quiet. Of sleeping away the countless nights of how humanity has never learnt its lesson. People seek for their pain. The people here, specially, aside from a few are all miserable and alone and scattered with rumors or ghosts of their pasts following them around. There's people who are all too critical, all too rude and mean and murderous- those especially who have been through so much pain and suffering-!
He shook his head, closing his eyes before he ended up bursting.
"If I didn't step up, Maruki, no one would have survived," Hamuko replied softly. "Everyone would be Lost... and then everyone would have died slowly and painfully. My life for everyone else - it hurts to have died, but I want everyone to have a chance to live."
Giving him a glance, seeing his face... mostly composed, mostly listening, but there was a weight in his silence and the way his throat swallowed back words and thoughts. The way he shook his head to banish his reaction.
"Is it strange that I don't feel any regret or doubt about it, even if I'm sad?"
Does it even matter? If people died without caring?
"...I think its quite natural. People have to make a lot of hard choices in their life, myself included. Some never pick themselves back up, some never get the support they should get," he heaves a deep breath and straightens his back, trying to get himself together. "And there are people like you. Or me. Coping with circumstances beyond our control. Or the others here who have to live with the pain and some who are only living on borrowed time before they are sent back to their real worlds and forced to suffer again."
"Well, any day, you could die... it isn't that different, is it? Me disappearing from here isn't any more or less unexpected than someone getting hit in traffic or electrocuting themselves or something."
But... people who never get the support they need, people who can't pick themselves back up... even if it's been a long time since she was in her worst state, she can remember it.
"Being able to help people connect, though... that would be something incredible. Maybe if someday the Seal isn't needed, I'll try to be something like that - something that helps people make the bonds they need to find that strength to get back up."
"I won't deny the importance of friendships or having companionship. It's always a more positive approach if someone else shares your interests or comes to care for you. Those are good signs," he reiterates.
"But your life. Your dreams-! You endured and suffered so much for something so-" Thankless he wants to say but he stops himself before he ends up ruining this meeting of theirs. No, keep calm. She's clearly in pain. How would kicking a dead horse help anyone?
"What I am trying to say is," he starts again- more stable as he adjusts the glasses on his nose. "It's different from someone simply dying. Your situation is intentional and driven by motivation. Most people will never reach out, not through the bias that creates in their head from a lifetime of suffering."
"...I know. I remember what that's like, too," Hamuko tilted her head, smiling a bit curiously at Maruki. He really was worked up and upset over her death... maybe it was selfish, but it was... nice, to be mourned like that.
"You stopped yourself. 'Something so...' what, Maruki? Something scary? Cruel?" she asked, curious where his head was going with it.
Oh, he knows a bait when he sees one. He shakes his head as he scratches at his chin, gnawing at whatever he could before the conversation turned on him.
"It is cruel," he admits (and lies) while looking ahead. "What you have been through- its almost mind-boggling for me to see how you sit here and answer my questions with such honesty."
He turns to look at her. "Despite everything...at the end of the day your friends would continue on to live and achieve their dreams. Thanks to you of course but it's..so cruel to see how fate dealt with your hand."
"If it wasn't me, then who would it have been, right? Sometimes it's my brother, apparently... I'm sure there's more worlds where it might've been one of my friends, or someone I've never known. I can't start playing the blame game... because who's at fault? Nyx, for answering a call? Fate, for finding someone to save humanity? Humanity for crying out in anguish?"
She shrugged, a little.
"There's nothing for me, going down that line of thought. Nothing but regret or resentment, and neither of those are going to save me. The only thing that would save me is everyone choosing kindness for others, of their own free will."
Maruki sucked in a deep breath, leaning back into the bench if only to regulate himself from being too passionate about this. People always got so defensive and pulled back when he spoke of his research, he didn't want to make Hamuko run away.
"...That free will you speak of—it’s beautiful. It really is," he began slowly, turning his eyes toward her with quiet sincerity. "But it’s not always enough. Not in the way people like to think."
He folded his hands gently in his lap, letting silence breathe between his next words.
"From a psychological standpoint... human beings are shaped by the conditions they live in—by trauma, by systems, by the people around them. Maslow called it the hierarchy of needs, didn’t he? Basic safety, belonging, stability—without those, people can’t even begin to think about higher ideals like compassion or self-actualization. We like to believe in the purity of free will, but choice is often a luxury—one afforded by the absence of fear."
"Yeah. If people had their material needs met, they could really start finding that kind of happiness. I like to think that we're getting closer to it... that one step at a time, people are choosing to do the right thing."
It doesn't help the people who are hurting right now, though - that bothers Maruki a lot. She understands why.
"There's a lot of good that could come of trying to help everyone be fed, have a home, and stuff like that... good soil and patience that would grow a beautiful garden. I like to think that even if I didn't live to see that garden, I helped plant the seeds."
People...choosing to do the right thing. He looks at this place and wonders where exactly is she seeing that sentiment play out when everyone here seems to cling to their pain and refuse help beyond the need for bonds fostered under a forceful existence.
He pauses for a bit, eyes glancing ahead- beyond the park to the trees and the quiet calm of the shrine.
She is shifting the narrative to others again. He had her. He just needs to-
"That's a really special way to look at it," he smiles. "And something I would relate to, given that I have a mini garden back home. Or well, even here honestly."
Pull her away from the mourning. Distract her before she sees that he's being too defensive.
"Gardening is fun! Yukari and Fuuka really got me sucked back into it... though right now I just have a gerbera, since growing rose bushes needs a lot more space!"
Still... hmmm...!!
"Maybe I'll plant some on 'public' property around here! Not like anyone actually owns it... I doubt the cognitive people would mind some roses. GOSH - I once saw this gorgeous rose bush that had flowers that were orange, but a soft orange, like a peach. They were SO pretty, and so friendly looking - I wish I knew who'd planted them because I wanna know if they bred their roses like that on purpose!"
Maruki's eyes lit up- visibly genuine as he turns towards her in excitement.
"Peach-colored roses? Oh, I know the ones you mean!" he said while leaning forward with the same energy that made him one of the most beloved teachers in Shujin. "Those are likely a hybrid tea rose! There's a variety called Just Joey- that blooms in a soft apricot tone. Or oh, it could've been Peace, though those lean more towards yellow."
Without really realizing it, he drifted a little too close to the past.
He paused before brushing his bangs back sheepishly. "Ah, sorry- I can really go off when it comes to plants. I've been growing everything from bonsai to trailing wisteria ever since I was a kid. That said- deliberately breeding hybrids will possibly even take years to perfect. It's practically an art form which involves focusing on cross-pollination and the soil PH but...with cognition, its possible you can...prune some factors to your favor."
"It's a fun hobby!! I'm a little new to it... my last foster parent had a garden in her front yard that I would help with. It was one of the ways we really got to chat with each other," she beamed.
Admittedly... she hadn't gotten that close with her before getting the invitation and scholarship for Gekkoukan. Only a few months... and with so many other foster kids, she's not really surprised she didn't get any check-in calls or letters. Oh well.
"And I love flowers. Big colorful ones... little petite ones... and roses are my absolute favorite."
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"A dog is man's best friend, after all," he nods at how she talks about Koromaru, devolving to talking about herself and then...her life. For how short it was and how they made it all count.
Or so they told themselves.
"I am happy you had a group like that who supported each other even in times of peril. Even if...the situation felt hopeless."
"What were all of you planning? For the future?" he asks thoughtfully.
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She exhaled a bit, staring off into the horizon in thought.
"I told Mitsuru that I wanted to be her cute little housewife, watch the guys, keep them out of trouble. I never said it out loud, but I thought, maybe someday I'd adopt some kids - people like me, or like Ken. Give them a loving home. Make the world better by making their world better. Every person I could help, even if just a little bit, even if just by listening to them... maybe by making their lives better, they would do the same for others, and it'd always pay forward. That's what made me realize that it all wasn't just pointless. That we're all connected and always will be..."
After a breath, she laughed a little, sheepishly.
"Sorry-- my thoughts kind of bounce back and forth a lot, so that'll probably happen the more I ramble."
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...for humanity to be left to its own devices.
He folded his arms on his lap as Hamuko went on and along, a quiet he hadn't gotte used to. In a while. There was a soft smile at the end surfacing on his lips.
"This is going to sound a little silly," he starts as he chuckles along with her. "But try to say thank you instead of sorry."
"Do ramble. Talk to your heart's content. Don't apologize for it," he turns towards on her on his seat, knees aimed at her direction. "Atleast not to me."
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Well... 'admitted' - it was a half truth if anything. She DID always feel a little sheepish if she got wordy and just got stared at, but she also wanted to hear from Maruki. At least both things could be true.
"That said, it's... it's been nice. Sad, that I can't be a part of it otherwise, but really reassuring and validating to see people still living after I died. So I know it was worth it. Everyone I've met here that's from my future... or a future like my future, at least... they're brilliant, and full of ambition and hopes and everything. Facing their pain and holding each other's hands. I think I would be... a lot more depressed, if my future didn't protect everyone."
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He waves his hand in dismissal- sweeping that topic under the rug.
"...is your future really just all that?" He asks, cautiously, eyes crinkling in worry. "It's admirable of you, to take on the weight of helping everyone secure their futures but what comes after that?"
"Does it not hurt? Does it not frustrate you?"
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For a moment, she paused, humming in thought. Mulling it over, examining her feelings and the little tangled knot they made.
"It's more like... like the sadness of a funeral. I guess that's what it literally is, though - my own death, my own funeral. And even then, the hurt softens, sometimes. It's a lot easier to deal with here... in the Seal, it's..."
...Hard to describe. Beyond the clawing and wailing of Erebus, and the quiet presence of Nyx behind her, and that faint familiar presence of death, reminding her why she's there in the first place.
"Admittedly, I don't exactly think very much when I'm in the Seal. It's very... dreamlike. Hazy, like when you're sort of sedated, and you can't really perceive much of anything?" Hamuko shrugged. "I... I was really, really scared when I woke up in the Velvet Room, though. I was so scared that me being here broke the Seal and all my friends would die. And then, oh man, when Igor explained that it was still intact and I was just here to dream and be for a while... well, I wanted to cry from being happy, then."
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"No one should be going through what you did," he couldn't help but mutter those words like he was still attending her unspoken funeral. Each second he looked a little more distressed than the last and at the end when she's free- that's what she's thinking? Seriously?
All those years...decades of loneliness. Of quiet. Of sleeping away the countless nights of how humanity has never learnt its lesson. People seek for their pain. The people here, specially, aside from a few are all miserable and alone and scattered with rumors or ghosts of their pasts following them around. There's people who are all too critical, all too rude and mean and murderous- those especially who have been through so much pain and suffering-!
He shook his head, closing his eyes before he ended up bursting.
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Giving him a glance, seeing his face... mostly composed, mostly listening, but there was a weight in his silence and the way his throat swallowed back words and thoughts. The way he shook his head to banish his reaction.
"Is it strange that I don't feel any regret or doubt about it, even if I'm sad?"
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Does it even matter? If people died without caring?"...I think its quite natural. People have to make a lot of hard choices in their life, myself included. Some never pick themselves back up, some never get the support they should get," he heaves a deep breath and straightens his back, trying to get himself together. "And there are people like you. Or me. Coping with circumstances beyond our control. Or the others here who have to live with the pain and some who are only living on borrowed time before they are sent back to their real worlds and forced to suffer again."
"Or in your case...pass away again."
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But... people who never get the support they need, people who can't pick themselves back up... even if it's been a long time since she was in her worst state, she can remember it.
"Being able to help people connect, though... that would be something incredible. Maybe if someday the Seal isn't needed, I'll try to be something like that - something that helps people make the bonds they need to find that strength to get back up."
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"But your life. Your dreams-! You endured and suffered so much for something so-" Thankless he wants to say but he stops himself before he ends up ruining this meeting of theirs. No, keep calm. She's clearly in pain. How would kicking a dead horse help anyone?
"What I am trying to say is," he starts again- more stable as he adjusts the glasses on his nose. "It's different from someone simply dying. Your situation is intentional and driven by motivation. Most people will never reach out, not through the bias that creates in their head from a lifetime of suffering."
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"You stopped yourself. 'Something so...' what, Maruki? Something scary? Cruel?" she asked, curious where his head was going with it.
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"It is cruel," he admits (and lies) while looking ahead. "What you have been through- its almost mind-boggling for me to see how you sit here and answer my questions with such honesty."
He turns to look at her. "Despite everything...at the end of the day your friends would continue on to live and achieve their dreams. Thanks to you of course but it's..so cruel to see how fate dealt with your hand."
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She shrugged, a little.
"There's nothing for me, going down that line of thought. Nothing but regret or resentment, and neither of those are going to save me. The only thing that would save me is everyone choosing kindness for others, of their own free will."
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"...That free will you speak of—it’s beautiful. It really is," he began slowly, turning his eyes toward her with quiet sincerity. "But it’s not always enough. Not in the way people like to think."
He folded his hands gently in his lap, letting silence breathe between his next words.
"From a psychological standpoint... human beings are shaped by the conditions they live in—by trauma, by systems, by the people around them. Maslow called it the hierarchy of needs, didn’t he? Basic safety, belonging, stability—without those, people can’t even begin to think about higher ideals like compassion or self-actualization. We like to believe in the purity of free will, but choice is often a luxury—one afforded by the absence of fear."
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It doesn't help the people who are hurting right now, though - that bothers Maruki a lot. She understands why.
"There's a lot of good that could come of trying to help everyone be fed, have a home, and stuff like that... good soil and patience that would grow a beautiful garden. I like to think that even if I didn't live to see that garden, I helped plant the seeds."
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He pauses for a bit, eyes glancing ahead- beyond the park to the trees and the quiet calm of the shrine.
She is shifting the narrative to others again. He had her. He just needs to-
"That's a really special way to look at it," he smiles. "And something I would relate to, given that I have a mini garden back home. Or well, even here honestly."
Pull her away from the mourning. Distract her before she sees that he's being too defensive.
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Still... hmmm...!!
"Maybe I'll plant some on 'public' property around here! Not like anyone actually owns it... I doubt the cognitive people would mind some roses. GOSH - I once saw this gorgeous rose bush that had flowers that were orange, but a soft orange, like a peach. They were SO pretty, and so friendly looking - I wish I knew who'd planted them because I wanna know if they bred their roses like that on purpose!"
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"Peach-colored roses? Oh, I know the ones you mean!" he said while leaning forward with the same energy that made him one of the most beloved teachers in Shujin. "Those are likely a hybrid tea rose! There's a variety called Just Joey- that blooms in a soft apricot tone. Or oh, it could've been Peace, though those lean more towards yellow."
Without really realizing it, he drifted a little too close to the past.
He paused before brushing his bangs back sheepishly. "Ah, sorry- I can really go off when it comes to plants. I've been growing everything from bonsai to trailing wisteria ever since I was a kid. That said- deliberately breeding hybrids will possibly even take years to perfect. It's practically an art form which involves focusing on cross-pollination and the soil PH but...with cognition, its possible you can...prune some factors to your favor."
Yep, great going there Takuto.
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Admittedly... she hadn't gotten that close with her before getting the invitation and scholarship for Gekkoukan. Only a few months... and with so many other foster kids, she's not really surprised she didn't get any check-in calls or letters. Oh well.
"And I love flowers. Big colorful ones... little petite ones... and roses are my absolute favorite."